Posts by cha ching

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KPBS - San Diego: Trey Bundy interviewed: Jehovah’s Witnesses Leaders Hide Child Abuse Secrets At All Costs

by AndersonsInfo in

http://www.kpbs.org/news/2016/dec/12/how-jehovahs-witnesses-leaders-hide-child-abuse-se/.

monday, december 12, 2016 .

trey bundy / reveal.

cha ching

It seems as tho Trey is getting around more than we knew he was, and he is still interested in seeing this tragedy of child abuse be "Revealed"... (pun intended)

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i had a discussion with 4 jws today and they told me that jesus could not be tempted, ( they say that he would not be perfect if he could) but also they told me that satan tempted jesus in the wilderness.. can anyone clarify their beliefs please.

i like to give them a reasoned argument when i talk to them, but have never noticed this conflict of ideas before..

cha ching

Divergent: 2 Corinthians 10:13 — God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear.

I was constantly "conundrummed" by the teachings of the WT.

Looking back, looking at articles previously written, you see both views presented as possible at the same time. Brain surge!!!

Another example from a WT study, condensed & simplified:

"Ann doesn't talk to her mom because Ann's mom is disfellowshipped, Ann is sweet, Ann is loyal"

10 paragraphs later:

"John, in Japan, became a JW, his parents are mean, they won't talk to him, he persevered, now they DO talk to him, he was loyal"

These are not the exact words, but basically, it boils down to that, and the WT writes two conflicting views like that alllllll the time.

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UK Charity Commission - Latest

by Slidin Fast in

this is a copy of the round robin email sent out today.

i am confident that there is no problem with passing it on.

the wheels grind on, it is good to know that not much gets by these investigators.. dear all, i apologise for not being in contact over the last couple of months, but due to ongoing legal matters our inquiries into watch tower bible and tract society of britain and manchester new moston kingdom hall have been moving at a slower pace than we would have liked.

cha ching

Thx, Slidin' Fast! It is great to know the whole picture, and that there are at least some people that can see thru the curtain/veil the WT holds in front of so many people's eyes! And they just may have the power to do something about it!

Awesome! Cha Ching!

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Special Talk During the Meeting Today About the Bad Press in Canada

by RobertT18 in

i was invited to a congregation in ontario, canada today and as soon as the meeting opened the brother conducting the meeting said there was a very important statement coming from the borg.

this talk replaced the two last parts of "living as a christian" section.

he started reading a letter from the borg about how much they loved us.

cha ching

Listener: "They can't appropriately call it persecution because it's not."

Splash: 'It's not persecution when they've done something wrong, it's accountability.

That's like saying all criminals are being persecuted by the police."

These concise,short summaries would be a great idea to memorize.

Persecution vs. Accountability.

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Learning from History

by no-zombie in

i was reading the book 'five stages of collapse' by dmitry orlov, which discussed in part, people's attitudes toward the probability of societal collapse.

one group of people, those who dispassionately examine facts, like scientists, engineers and accountants ultimately become diametrically opposed to the group of people with vested emotional interests, like politicians, businessmen and economists.

and he made some interesting comments that parallel our situation when we consider how people are polarized over the future of the organization..

cha ching

Very true, ScratchMe, real estate business it is.... It has money, it can just keep buying/ selling as a real estate business.... but will it still be a 'religion'?

I hope not, I WISH not, I praaaaaaaaaaaaay not (even tho I don't pray), but just thinking about the way people are, I think SOME JW's will still keep 'believing' in what the WT has put out over the years, just like there is still a 'Bible Students' organization, even tho the religion got morphed into "JW's".

My cousin, who is DF'd, not living the life of a JW, not gone to a meeting in years, not planning to, has an family members who are JWs, and when he found out I was no longer "going" he said "Oh, that's too bad."

That being said, I will just have to wait and see.

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Have the Elders ever been instructed by their bethel to call the police for abuse?

by StephaneLaliberte in

right now, there are a lot of talks on this topic in quebec and, at the mid week meeting, they are reading the letter sent in 2002 where it states that the elders will call the authorities if the law forces them to.

the strange thing is, it looks like even when there are laws to that effect, jws seem to believe that it does not apply to them.

for instance, i know that they do not report anything in quebec, even if it is the law!

cha ching

So true, Flipper, when you simplify it:

Elders are always told they have to call the Society.

Victims are never told they have to call the police.

Their values are transparent.

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JW Ideal candidates for Life Insurance?

by MNLifeAgent in

jw
friends

i am not a jehovah's witness, although i do respect your religion entirely.

i am 27 years old, and live in minnesota.

i have an older cousin, who's mother (not with my uncle -separated when my cousin was a baby) had been a witness, grew up in your word, and about 12 years ago she fully converted.

cha ching

I don't know if this has been mentioned, I haven't read this whole thread, but if witnesses started buying $1,000,000 rider policies for the WT, Bethel would start training sharpshooters!

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How Jehovah’s Witnesses leaders hide child abuse secrets at all costs - Reveal News - December 10, 2016

by jwleaks in

how jehovah's witnesses leaders hide child abuse secrets at all costs.

by trey bundy.

reveal news.

cha ching

The WT's agent, Arthur Ash told the court that it would take years to sift through all the files, but they sure "redacted them" as in 'lickety splity'!

How does that work?

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Should a Priest ,Elder ,Pastor withold a crime from the relevant authorities because of a confidential confessional ?

by smiddy in

what do you believe , is a confessional something that is sacred between the the two parties involved ?

or does it depend on the severity of the crime/sin.. or is their a responsability of the recpient of the confession to divulge what he/she knows about the crime.?.

what we see in movies ,tv, etc shows it is a no no .but is that true ?the confessional is only between the two involved.?.

cha ching

When questions are asked, it makes people think.... People need to realize a change is needed.

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Reveal releases outstanding audio w/Trey Bundy doing interviews. One is with a former Bethelite who cared for old GB members

by AndersonsInfo in

https://www.revealnews.org/episodes/secrets-of-the-watchtower/?utm_source=reveal&utm_medium=dist&utm_campaign=zalkin.

not only will you hear howie tran, former-bethelite, but irwin zalkins talks about watchtower's child abuse secrets.

debbie mcdaniels talks about her child abuse and you will hear trey actually talking to the jw who molested her..

cha ching

Hey DATA-DOG... In answer to your question, how can we support Trey?

When we asked that question, here is the answer we received:

Copy / share this link with everyone, and have them share it.

https://www.revealnews.org/episodes/secrets-of-the-watchtower/?utm_source=Reveal&utm_medium=dist&utm_campaign=zalkin

Also, Reveal News is a non-profit reporting agency, so even small donations are helpful.

cha ching